Is it true that you interview people using a machine?
A Yes, the (patent pending)
Interrotron. It's a machine that uses existing technology in a new and
novel way. When I made my first film, Gates of Heaven,
I interviewed people by putting my head right up against the lens of the
camera. I would be talking to them, and it seemed as though they were
looking directly into the lens of the camera, but not really. Almost,
but not quite. Of course, they were looking a little bit off to the side.
Q Why? What's the point?
A To create the first person.
When someone watches my films, it is as though the characters are talking
directly to them…There is no third party. On television we're used
to seeing people interviewed 60 Minutes style.
There is Mike Wallace or Larry King, and the camera is off to the side.
Hence, we, the audience, are also off to the side. We're the fly-on-the-wall,
so to speak, watching two people talking. But we've lost something.
A Direct eye contact.
Q Eye contact?
A Uh huh. We all know when
someone makes eye contact with us. It is a moment of drama. Perhaps it's
a serial killer telling us that he's about to kill us; or a loved one
acknowledging a moment of affection. Regardless, it's a moment with dramatic
value. We know when people make eye contact with us, look away and then
make eye contact again. It's an essential part of communication. And yet,
it is lost in standard interviews on film. That is, until the Interrotron.
Q I don't get it.
A I got tired of sitting
so close to the camera. (In my early films, my cameraman would grab the
back of my head and pull me back because you could see the side of my
head in the lens. When he yanked me back, it often hurt.) And I started
to wonder, what if I could become one with the camera. What if the camera
and myself could become one and
Q You're losing me.
A Well, not literally. Are
you familiar with Teleprompters?
Q Not really.
A Well, Teleprompters are
used to project an image on a two-way mirror. Politicians and newscasters
use them so that they can read text and look into the lens of the camera
at the same time. What interests me is that nobody thought of using them
for anything other than to display text: read a speech or read the news
and look into the lens of the camera.
A I changed that. I put
my face on the Teleprompter or, strictly speaking, my live video image.
For the first time, I could be talking to someone, and they could be talking
to me and at the same time looking directly into the lens of the camera.
Now, there was no looking off slightly to the side. No more faux first
person. This was the true first person.
Q It sounds like Buck Rogers.
Were people willing to tolerate this?
A I worried at first. Would
it frighten people? Would they run out of the studio screaming? Who could
say? I used it for the first time in Fast, Cheap
& Out of Control. And it worked like a charm. People loved
Q The Interrotron? Did
you make up the name?
A No, it was named by my
wife, Julia Sheehan. She liked the name because it combined two important
concepts — terror and interview.
Q But doesn't the device
A Oddly enough, no. It doesn't.
People, if anything, feel more relaxed when talking to a live video image.
My production designer, Ted Bafaloukos, said, "The beauty of this
thing is that it allows people to do what they do best. Watch television…"
We often think of technology as
working against the possibility of intimacy. But there are so many counter-examples.
The telephone is a good counter-example. There are things we can say to
each other on the phone that we would never say if we were in the same
room. You know, "Being there is the next best thing to using the
phone…" The Interrotron is like that. It creates greater distance
and greater intimacy. And it also creates the true first person. Now,
when people make eye contact with me, it can be preserved on film.
Q Have you used it much?
A Whenever I need to. I
used it in a film that introduced the Academy Awards® in 2002. Gorbachev,
Laura Bush, Iggy Pop, Al Sharpton and Walter Cronkite have all been on
Q Did Robert McNamara like
A Well, you have to remember
that we are talking about someone who has been interviewed a thousand
times. He walked into the studio and said, "What is that?" I
smiled and said, "The Interrotron." He said, "Well, whatever
it is, I don't like it." But then he sat down, and we proceeded to
record over twenty hours of interviews. I guess he came to like it, too.